Ikiganiro cyose  Minisitiri Mushikiwabo yagiranye n’abanyamakuru anavugamo ibintu bikomeye

Mu kiganiro na Televiziyo ya ‘TV5Monde’, Radiyo mpuzamahanga y’Abafaransa ‘RFI’ n’ikinyamakuru ‘Le Monde’ Minisitiri w’Ububanyi n’amahanga w’u Rwanda Louise Mushikiwabo yavuze ko hari abanyarwanda benshi bifuza ko Perezida Kagame Paul yabayobora ubuzima bwe bwose, yanagarutse ku bya Diane Rwigara, Umubano w’u Rwanda n’Ubufaransa

Abajijwe niba Perezida Paul Kagame atekereza kuzasimburwa umunsi umwe cyangwa azayobora u Rwanda ubuzima bwe bwose, Minisitiri Mushikiwabo yavuze ko hari Abanyarwanda benshi bifuza ko Perezida Paul Kagame yabayobora ubuzima bwe bwose.

Ati “Ni umugabo wakoreye byinshi iki gihugu, ni umuyobozi ufite impano zidasanzwe, yaje muri iki gihugu mu gihe cyari gikomeye cy’amateka yacyo, yakoze akazi keza iyo niyo mpamvu Abanyarwanda benshi ku bwiganze bishimiye akazi yakoze.”

Umunyamakuru : Ese birashoboka ko muri iki gihugu hazabaho guhererekanya
ubutegetsi nta mvururu zibayeho ?

Kurikira iki kiganiro hano

Mushikiwabo : Ni byiza gutandukanya ibintu, hari ibyo Abanyarwanda bashaka, hari n’ibyo abatari Abanyarwanda bashaka, twebwe mu buryo bwacu bwo kumva ibintu, imyanzuro ireba gusimburana ku butegetsi ni umwanzuro w’abatora b’Abanyarwanda

Turabizi ko hari abantu, hari ibihugu n’abatavuga rumwe n’ubutegetsi bari mu gihugu n’abari hanze batumva ibintu kimwe natwe, ariko byose bigomba guca mu nzira z’itora kandi niwo mwanzuro w’Abanyarwanda.

Umunyamakuru : Uyu munsi Diane Rwigara wari wagerageje guhangana na Perezida Kagame ari muri Gereza ashinjwa …uyu mugore ari kuba ikimenyetso cy’uko bidashoboka kuzategura gusimburana ku butegetsi mu buryo bwa Demokarasi muri iki gihugu, by’umwihariko abakiri bato bashaka ubwisanzure bwisumbuyeho ?

Mushikiwabo : Uyu mugore muto hari ibitekerezo rwose ahagarariye, ariko ni ibitekerezo biri hanze y’iki gihugu.

Yashakaga kuba Umukandida ariko ntiyabonye abamushyigikira bahagije kugira ngo abashe kwiyamamariza kuba Perezida.

Ni umugore kimwe n’abandi Banyarwanda bafite uburenganzira bwo kwiyamamaza ariko utarabashije kubigeraho kubera ko atari yujuje ibisabwa.

Muri uwo murongo, sinshaka kubivugaho byinshi kubera ko ni ikibazo kiri mu biganza by’ubutabera.

Muri iyo nzira, habayeho ibibazo niyo mpamvu ari mu butareba uyu munsi, ariko reka nababwire ko u Rwanda ari igihugu aho umugore ari umwamikazi ariko hariho n’abarozikazi (sorcières)’, ntabwo ari benshi, abagore bo mu Rwanda ntabwo bose ari abamarayika.

Umunyamakuru : Niyo mvugo mukoresha umuvuga uriya (Diane) utavuga rumwe n’ubutegetsi ?

Mushikiwabo : Oya, oya ! Mbivuze kuko twumva kenshi ahantu hamwe na hamwe “Ko ari umugore,… umugore ntakwiye gufungwa,…” muzi ko abagore bakoze Jenoside hano mu Rwanda.

Rero umugore ubyemerewe, wujuje ibisabwa ashobora kwiyamamaza kandi ashobora gutorwa, ariko si ko we bimeze.

Umunyamakuru : Muvuze ko ari mu butabera, ese hano mu Rwanda ushatse kwiyamamaza bihita bimujyana muri gereza, n’imbere y’urukiko ?

Mushikiwabo : Ntabwo ariko bimeze hano, uriya mugore muto ari mu butabera kubera ko yibye mu nzego zitandukanye mu nzira ye ashaka kuba Umukandida mu matora ya Perezida wa Repubulika, reka dutegereze urubanza rwe.

Umunyamakuru : Hagati aho umuntu yatekereza ko imaza no gukurikiranwa biri kwiyongera, yewe no mu bantu bari ku ruhande rumwe na Perezida Kagame, abantu bo muri FPR, batari mu bantu bashaka ko ava ku butegetsi ariko banenga uburyo ayobora, ubu bari mu mahanga cyangwa muri gereza, ntibibatera impungenge mwebwe kuba bazira kuba batinyutse kugaragaza ikitagenda neza ariko nta kibi babifuriza ?

Mushikiwabo : Ni iki kidasanzwe, Politike ni uko imeze. Oya, ndatekereza ko ari byiza kumva u Rwanda kandi by’umwihariko kudafata u Rwanda nk’igihugu kidasanzwe, gitandukanye n’ibindi.

Muri Politike kuba abantu bakumvikana ntibivuze ko batazanumvikana nyuma, ni ibisanzwe ko bava mu gihugu kugira ngo barebe ko bakomeza kwitwara mu buryo busanzwe kugira ngo bitazarangira bijanditse mu byaha, ibindi ni kimwe ku isi yose, hari abanyapolitike n’abatavuga rumwe na bo, gusa Abanyarwanda benshi usanga baravuye mu gihugu ukoze iperereza ryawe neza wasanga bose baragiye bafite ibibazo.

Ntabwo ari abantu batashatse kujyana na Politike ihari, bagera hanze bakajya mu byaha.

Umunyamakuru : Amajwi 98% mu matora y’abatoye Kagame, ese ubu buryo bwo kubaka Politike ntihari igihe bwazageraho bugatera ikibazo (contre productif),… abantu badashobora kugaragaza ibibarimo, …kuri Demokarasi ?

Mushikiwabo : Butera ikibazo ba nde ? Paul Kagame ni Perezida w’Abanyarwanda, niba Abanyarwanda bashaka ibintu uko bimeze ubu, kuri twe turatuje.

Turabizi ko hari abatabyumva, kandi ni ibisanzwe. Ni nk’uko natwe hano dutungurwa no kubona umuyobozi w’igihugu utorwa n’abantu 20% y’abaturage b’igihugu bakwiye gutora, ni amahitamo yabo.

Umunyamakuru : Umubano hagati y’Ubufaransa n’u Rwanda ugoye, kubera amateka aremereye,…mu minsi mike ishize mwahamagaye Ambasaderi wanyu mu Bufaransa nyuma y’uko umucamanza w’Ubufaransa yakiriye umutangabuhamya mushya ku iraswa ry’indege ya Habyarimana,…kubera iki mwahamagaje Ambasaderi wanyu kandi ari ikibazo cy’ubutabera cyajemo muri iyi minsi ishize ?

Mushikiwabo : Mbere ya byose ni uko nta gihe gihagije dufite cyo kuvuga ku mubano w’Ubufaransa n’u Rwanda, ariko mbere ya byose, Ubufaransa binyuze mu bayobozi bamwe b’Abafaransa bari bashyigikiye ubutegetsi bwakoze Jenoside hano mu Rwanda, mu myaka 23 ishize bagerageza guhisha ibyo bakoze, bagerageza gusibanganya ibimenyetso, niyo mateka y’u Rwanda n’Ubufaransa kuva mu 1994.

Umubano w’Ubufaransa n’u Rwanda kuva Jenoside yahagarikwa kubera uruhare rw’abayobozi bo mu butegetsi bwite, ubwa gisirikare n’ubundi, ni umubano ugoye.

Kandi birumvikana, ntabwo u Rwanda rwari bubane neza n’Ubufaransa ngo hanyuma tugire gutya duhamagaze Ambasaderi gutyo gusa, twe nk’u Rwanda twaragerageje bishoboka kubyutsa umubano, habayeho kugerageza kenshi, hari ibihe byabayeho tugerageza.

“Nko ku gihe cya Perezida Sarkozy”, cyari igihe kiza, hari intambwe yaterwaga, nk’igihe umubano wasaga n’ugenda neza, na ririya perereza ry’ubucamanza ryagendaga neza.

Kuri twe, iyo muvuga ubutabera, hagati y’Ubufaransa n’u Rwanda nta by’ubutabera birimo ni Politike, ni Politike biragaragara.

Umunyamakuru : Ese mwe ntimubona ko ari mu nyungu z’u Rwanda n’Ubufaransa gukomeza iperereza hakamenyekana uwamanuye iriya ndege ?

Mushikiwabo : Ese mubona bisanzwe, kuba Ubufaransa bwagize uruhare muri Jenoside hano mu Rwanda buba umucamanza w’ikintu gifitanye isano nayo ?

Umunyamakuru : Ubutabera burigenga, kandi ni abacamanza kuko harimo Umufaransa ?

Mushikiwabo : Ngiye kubabwira ibivugwa hano mu Rwanda, ‘ubutabera bw’Ubufaransa bwigenga ku butabera (mu ihame)’. Kuko iyo twitegereje ibyagiye biba nyuma ya Jenoside mu 1994, abategetsi b’Abafaransa bagize uruhare ku ruhande rw’ubutegetsi bwakoze Jenoside, mu gihe cya Jenoside ba bategetsi barafashije, nyuma ya Jenoside bahishe ndetse bashyigikiye, kugeza n’uyu munsi bakomeje gushyigikira abagore n’abagabo bakekwaho Jenoside hano, twebwe iyo bavuga ubutabera bw’Ubufaransa mu Rwanda nta cyo twumvamo.

Umunyamakuru : Muteganya gukora iki ririya perereza nirikomeza, ese umubano w’ibihugu byombi ushobora kongera guhagarara nk’uko byigeze kuba ?

Mushikiwabo : Mbere ya byose, iriya ngirwa rubanza nta mpamvu n’imwe rufite yo kubaho. Kuri twe hari igihe twatanze ubufasha, twakoze ibishoboka byose, kuko twe nk’igihugu twashakaga ko umubano ujya imbere.

Ariko ku ruhande rw’Ubufaransa tukahabona imyitwarire munyihanganire gukoresha iri jambo, ariko tukabona “ubwishongozi”,…ariko twebwe nk’u Rwanda icyo dusaba ni ubutabera gusa.

Reka mbabwire ko hano mu Rwanda dutekereza ko runo rugamba rw’Ubufaransa kubera abategetsi bamwe b’Abafaransa, ni urugamba Ubufaransa budashobora gustinda. Ni cyo twizera hano mu Rwanda.

Umunyamakuru : Kubera iki ?

Mushikiwabo : Kuko ni urugamba rutari ngombwa, ushobora guhisha ariko ntabwo wahisha byose.

Uyu munsi twahamagaje Ambasaderi Jacques Kabale kuko hari ikibazo, ririya perereza ritarangira, buri gihe hahora hari umutangabuhamya mushya wo ku isaha ya 25, umucamanza arasimburwa n’undi,… umunsi umwe bizaba ngombwa iyo “ngirwa rubanza” igere ku iherezo, kandi niba Ubufaransa budashaka kururangiza, twe nk’u Rwanda tuzarurangiza.

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Minisitiri Mushikiwabo yaganiririye n’aba banyamakuru batatu muri Kigali Convention Center.

Umunyamakuru : (Nyuma yo kwereka Minisitiri ibihamya bishinja Abafaransa uruhare muri Jenoside) Ni iki mwiteze ku Bufaransa uyu munsi, ni iperereza rishya, cyangwa mushaka ko Ubufaransa nk’uko Ububiligi bwabikoze busaba imbabazi u Rwanda ?

Mushikiwabo : Mwari muzi ko mu 2010 ubwo Perezida Sarkozy yazaga mu Rwanda, hari umunyamakuru mugenzi wanyu wamubajije niba yaje mu Rwanda gusaba imbabazi, niba nibuka neza yaramusubije ngo “Ese wowe, wowe uri Umufaransa, uriteguye gusaba imbabazi ? Niba witeguye ndazigusabira.”

Icyo twiteze ku Bufaransa si icy’uyu munsi, kimaze imyaka 23, dushaka ko bwemera uruhare rwabwo muri Jenoside yahekuye iki gihugu, yababaje uru Rwanda, kandi ntabwo ari ruriya rubanza ruzahindura uruhare rwabwo.

Twe Abanyarwanda byabaye ngombwa ko duhangana natwe ubwacu, ntekereza ko ari cyo n’Ubufaransa bukwiye gukora.

Abajijwe niba Perezida Paul Kagame atekereza kuzasimburwa umunsi umwe cyangwa azayobora u Rwanda ubuzima bwe bwose, Minisitiri Mushikiwabo yavuze ko hari Abanyarwanda benshi bifuza ko Perezida Paul Kagame yabayobora ubuzima bwe bwose.

Ati “Ni umugabo wakoreye byinshi iki gihugu, ni umuyobozi ufite impano zidasanzwe, yaje muri iki gihugu mu gihe cyari gikomeye cy’amateka yacyo, yakoze akazi keza iyo niyo mpamvu Abanyarwanda benshi ku bwiganze bishimiye akazi yakoze.”

Umunyamakuru : Ese birashoboka ko muri iki gihugu hazabaho guhererekanya ubutegetsi nta mvururu zibayeho ?

Mushikiwabo : Ni byiza gutandukanya ibintu, hari ibyo Abanyarwanda bashaka, hari n’ibyo abatari Abanyarwanda bashaka, twebwe mu buryo bwacu bwo kumva ibintu, imyanzuro ireba gusimburana ku butegetsi ni umwanzuro w’abatora b’Abanyarwanda

Turabizi ko hari abantu, hari ibihugu n’abatavuga rumwe n’ubutegetsi bari mu gihugu n’abari hanze batumva ibintu kimwe natwe, ariko byose bigomba guca mu nzira z’itora kandi niwo mwanzuro w’Abanyarwanda.

Umunyamakuru : Uyu munsi Diane Rwigara wari wagerageje guhangana na Perezida Kagame ari muri Gereza ashinjwa …uyu mugore ari kuba ikimenyetso cy’uko bidashoboka kuzategura gusimburana ku butegetsi mu buryo bwa Demokarasi muri iki gihugu, by’umwihariko abakiri bato bashaka ubwisanzure bwisumbuyeho ?

Mushikiwabo : Uyu mugore muto hari ibitekerezo rwose ahagarariye, ariko ni ibitekerezo biri hanze y’iki gihugu.

Yashakaga kuba Umukandida ariko ntiyabonye abamushyigikira bahagije kugira ngo abashe kwiyamamariza kuba Perezida.

Ni umugore kimwe n’abandi Banyarwanda bafite uburenganzira bwo kwiyamamaza ariko utarabashije kubigeraho kubera ko atari yujuje ibisabwa.

Muri uwo murongo, sinshaka kubivugaho byinshi kubera ko ni ikibazo kiri mu biganza by’ubutabera.

Muri iyo nzira, habayeho ibibazo niyo mpamvu ari mu butareba uyu munsi, ariko reka nababwire ko u Rwanda ari igihugu aho umugore ari umwamikazi ariko hariho n’abarozikazi (sorcières)’, ntabwo ari benshi, abagore bo mu Rwanda ntabwo bose ari abamarayika.

Umunyamakuru : Niyo mvugo mukoresha umuvuga uriya (Diane) utavuga rumwe n’ubutegetsi ?

Mushikiwabo : Oya, oya ! Mbivuze kuko twumva kenshi ahantu hamwe na hamwe “Ko ari umugore,… umugore ntakwiye gufungwa,…” muzi ko abagore bakoze Jenoside hano mu Rwanda.

Rero umugore ubyemerewe, wujuje ibisabwa ashobora kwiyamamaza kandi ashobora gutorwa, ariko si ko we bimeze.

Umunyamakuru : Muvuze ko ari mu butabera, ese hano mu Rwanda ushatse kwiyamamaza bihita bimujyana muri gereza, n’imbere y’urukiko ?

Mushikiwabo : Ntabwo ariko bimeze hano, uriya mugore muto ari mu butabera kubera ko yibye mu nzego zitandukanye mu nzira ye ashaka kuba Umukandida mu matora ya Perezida wa Repubulika, reka dutegereze urubanza rwe.

Umunyamakuru : Hagati aho umuntu yatekereza ko imaza no gukurikiranwa biri kwiyongera, yewe no mu bantu bari ku ruhande rumwe na Perezida Kagame, abantu bo muri FPR, batari mu bantu bashaka ko ava ku butegetsi ariko banenga uburyo ayobora, ubu bari mu mahanga cyangwa muri gereza, ntibibatera impungenge mwebwe kuba bazira kuba batinyutse kugaragaza ikitagenda neza ariko nta kibi babifuriza ?

Mushikiwabo : Ni iki kidasanzwe, Politike ni uko imeze. Oya, ndatekereza ko ari byiza kumva u Rwanda kandi by’umwihariko kudafata u Rwanda nk’igihugu kidasanzwe, gitandukanye n’ibindi.

Muri Politike kuba abantu bakumvikana ntibivuze ko batazanumvikana nyuma, ni ibisanzwe ko bava mu gihugu kugira ngo barebe ko bakomeza kwitwara mu buryo busanzwe kugira ngo bitazarangira bijanditse mu byaha, ibindi ni kimwe ku isi yose, hari abanyapolitike n’abatavuga rumwe na bo, gusa Abanyarwanda benshi usanga baravuye mu gihugu ukoze iperereza ryawe neza wasanga bose baragiye bafite ibibazo.

Ntabwo ari abantu batashatse kujyana na Politike ihari, bagera hanze bakajya mu byaha.

Umunyamakuru : Amajwi 98% mu matora y’abatoye Kagame, ese ubu buryo bwo kubaka Politike ntihari igihe bwazageraho bugatera ikibazo (contre productif),… abantu badashobora kugaragaza ibibarimo, …kuri Demokarasi ?

Mushikiwabo : Butera ikibazo ba nde ? Paul Kagame ni Perezida w’Abanyarwanda, niba Abanyarwanda bashaka ibintu uko bimeze ubu, kuri twe turatuje.

Turabizi ko hari abatabyumva, kandi ni ibisanzwe. Ni nk’uko natwe hano dutungurwa no kubona umuyobozi w’igihugu utorwa n’abantu 20% y’abaturage b’igihugu bakwiye gutora, ni amahitamo yabo.

Umunyamakuru : Umubano hagati y’Ubufaransa n’u Rwanda ugoye, kubera amateka aremereye,…mu minsi mike ishize mwahamagaye Ambasaderi wanyu mu Bufaransa nyuma y’uko umucamanza w’Ubufaransa yakiriye umutangabuhamya mushya ku iraswa ry’indege ya Habyarimana,…kubera iki mwahamagaje Ambasaderi wanyu kandi ari ikibazo cy’ubutabera cyajemo muri iyi minsi ishize ?

Mushikiwabo : Mbere ya byose ni uko nta gihe gihagije dufite cyo kuvuga ku mubano w’Ubufaransa n’u Rwanda, ariko mbere ya byose, Ubufaransa binyuze mu bayobozi bamwe b’Abafaransa bari bashyigikiye ubutegetsi bwakoze Jenoside hano mu Rwanda, mu myaka 23 ishize bagerageza guhisha ibyo bakoze, bagerageza gusibanganya ibimenyetso, niyo mateka y’u Rwanda n’Ubufaransa kuva mu 1994.

Umubano w’Ubufaransa n’u Rwanda kuva Jenoside yahagarikwa kubera uruhare rw’abayobozi bo mu butegetsi bwite, ubwa gisirikare n’ubundi, ni umubano ugoye.

Kandi birumvikana, ntabwo u Rwanda rwari bubane neza n’Ubufaransa ngo hanyuma tugire gutya duhamagaze Ambasaderi gutyo gusa, twe nk’u Rwanda twaragerageje bishoboka kubyutsa umubano, habayeho kugerageza kenshi, hari ibihe byabayeho tugerageza.

“Nko ku gihe cya Perezida Sarkozy”, cyari igihe kiza, hari intambwe yaterwaga, nk’igihe umubano wasaga n’ugenda neza, na ririya perereza ry’ubucamanza ryagendaga neza.

Kuri twe, iyo muvuga ubutabera, hagati y’Ubufaransa n’u Rwanda nta by’ubutabera birimo ni Politike, ni Politike biragaragara.

Umunyamakuru : Ese mwe ntimubona ko ari mu nyungu z’u Rwanda n’Ubufaransa gukomeza iperereza hakamenyekana uwamanuye iriya ndege ?

Mushikiwabo : Ese mubona bisanzwe, kuba Ubufaransa bwagize uruhare muri Jenoside hano mu Rwanda buba umucamanza w’ikintu gifitanye isano nayo ?

Umunyamakuru : Ubutabera burigenga, kandi ni abacamanza kuko harimo Umufaransa ?

Mushikiwabo : Ngiye kubabwira ibivugwa hano mu Rwanda, ‘ubutabera bw’Ubufaransa bwigenga ku butabera (mu ihame)’. Kuko iyo twitegereje ibyagiye biba nyuma ya Jenoside mu 1994, abategetsi b’Abafaransa bagize uruhare ku ruhande rw’ubutegetsi bwakoze Jenoside, mu gihe cya Jenoside ba bategetsi barafashije, nyuma ya Jenoside bahishe ndetse bashyigikiye, kugeza n’uyu munsi bakomeje gushyigikira abagore n’abagabo bakekwaho Jenoside hano, twebwe iyo bavuga ubutabera bw’Ubufaransa mu Rwanda nta cyo twumvamo.

Umunyamakuru : Muteganya gukora iki ririya perereza nirikomeza, ese umubano w’ibihugu byombi ushobora kongera guhagarara nk’uko byigeze kuba ?

Mushikiwabo : Mbere ya byose, iriya ngirwa rubanza nta mpamvu n’imwe rufite yo kubaho. Kuri twe hari igihe twatanze ubufasha, twakoze ibishoboka byose, kuko twe nk’igihugu twashakaga ko umubano ujya imbere.

Ariko ku ruhande rw’Ubufaransa tukahabona imyitwarire munyihanganire gukoresha iri jambo, ariko tukabona “ubwishongozi”,…ariko twebwe nk’u Rwanda icyo dusaba ni ubutabera gusa.

Reka mbabwire ko hano mu Rwanda dutekereza ko runo rugamba rw’Ubufaransa kubera abategetsi bamwe b’Abafaransa, ni urugamba Ubufaransa budashobora gustinda. Ni cyo twizera hano mu Rwanda.

Umunyamakuru : Kubera iki ?

Mushikiwabo : Kuko ni urugamba rutari ngombwa, ushobora guhisha ariko ntabwo wahisha byose.

Uyu munsi twahamagaje Ambasaderi Jacques Kabale kuko hari ikibazo, ririya perereza ritarangira, buri gihe hahora hari umutangabuhamya mushya wo ku isaha ya 25, umucamanza arasimburwa n’undi,… umunsi umwe bizaba ngombwa iyo “ngirwa rubanza” igere ku iherezo, kandi niba Ubufaransa budashaka kururangiza, twe nk’u Rwanda tuzarurangiza.

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Umunyamakuru : (Nyuma yo kwereka Minisitiri ibihamya bishinja Abafaransa uruhare muri Jenoside) Ni iki mwiteze ku Bufaransa uyu munsi, ni iperereza rishya, cyangwa mushaka ko Ubufaransa nk’uko Ububiligi bwabikoze busaba imbabazi u Rwanda ?

Mushikiwabo : Mwari muzi ko mu 2010 ubwo Perezida Sarkozy yazaga mu Rwanda, hari umunyamakuru mugenzi wanyu wamubajije niba yaje mu Rwanda gusaba imbabazi, niba nibuka neza yaramusubije ngo “Ese wowe, wowe uri Umufaransa, uriteguye gusaba imbabazi ? Niba witeguye ndazigusabira.”

Icyo twiteze ku Bufaransa si icy’uyu munsi, kimaze imyaka 23, dushaka ko bwemera uruhare rwabwo muri Jenoside yahekuye iki gihugu, yababaje uru Rwanda, kandi ntabwo ari ruriya rubanza ruzahindura uruhare rwabwo.

Twe Abanyarwanda byabaye ngombwa ko duhangana natwe ubwacu, ntekereza ko ari cyo n’Ubufaransa bukwiye gukora.

Umunyamakuru : Mwumvise Perezida Nicolas Sarkozy avuga ko habayeho ikosa rikomeye ryo kubona ibintu buhumyi, namwe niko mubyemera ko umuhate wo guhagarika watumye FPR igira uruhare muri Jenoside itabizi ?

Mushikiwabo : Njye ntekereza ko gushyigikira, no kugira uruhare mu buryo bumwe cyangwa ubundi muri Jenoside utabyita “Buhumyi”.

Ariko, ndi Umudiplomate nzi ko hari uburyo bwinshi bwo guhindura imvugo iyo biri ngombwa. Ntekereza ko uyu munsi Ubufaransa bufite amahirwe yo guhangana n’amateka yabwo arebana n’u Rwanda, ku ruhande rwacu mu Rwanda ntacyo tutakoze, hari byinshi twirengagije.

Twibwira ko hari igihe kizagera kandi twizeye ko kitari kure aho Ubufaransa buzemera ko bwagize uruhare rukomeye muri iki gihugu kandi niko ibihugu bijya imbere, ni kimwe natwe, twashoboraga kwifunga ntituganire, ariko si nzi ko igihugu ubu kiba kiriho, ariko si inshingano zanjye kugira inama Ubufaransa, ndi Minisitiri w’u Rwanda.

Umunyamakuru : Uyu munsi hariho Perezida w’Ubufaransa muto utari ufite inshingano kiriya gihe, ndetse utaranatojwe n’abashobora kuba baragize uruhare, ni isugi muri ibyo byose, mutekereza ko noneho umubano w’ibihugu byombi ushoboka ? ese ni ikihe kimenyetso by’umwihariko mushaka, Perezida Kagame na Macron baherutse no gusuhuzanya mu nama rusange ya UN ?

Mushikiwabo : Nk’uko mubizi imibano y’ibihugu irenze umuntu umwe, birenze umuyobozi w’igihugu.

Yego Perezida Kagame yahuye na Macron, bagiranye ikiganiro kiza i New York mu gihe k’inama rusange y’Umuryango w’Abibumbye, wari umwanya mwiza kuko byagaragaje ko n’Ubufaransa bushaka kunoza umubano n’u Rwanda.

Ubu inzira yo kugenda ni inzira ndende, kandi murazi kundusha ko Perezida ashobora kugira ubushake bukomeye ariko akagongwa n’umutwaro w’amateka ahari ku ruhare rw’Ubufaransa, ni ibintu bireba Ubufaransa ntabwo ari u Rwanda, ariko Perezida Kagame yanejejwe no guhura na we, kandi bagize ikiganiro kiza n’ubwo ntari kumwe na bo aho baganiririye.

Umunyamakuru : Tugarutse ku mubano n’ibihugu muturanye, Leta Zunze Ubumwe za America zifuza ko Abanye-Congo (DRC) bajya imbere, amatora akaba bagakomeza imbere hatabayeho imvururu, namwe niko mubibona ?

Mushikiwabo : Umubano wa RDC n’u Rwanda muri ibi bihe umeze neza, hari imishinga myinshi y’ubukungu twagiye dufatanya mu myaka ishize. Politike y’imbere muri Congo ntitureba nk’u Rwanda, icyo twifuriza Abanye-Congo ni uko basohoka muri ibi bihe barimo bakaba mu mahoro

Mushikiwabo : Njye ntekereza ko gushyigikira, no kugira uruhare mu buryo bumwe cyangwa ubundi muri Jenoside utabyita “Buhumyi”.

Ariko, ndi Umudiplomate nzi ko hari uburyo bwinshi bwo guhindura imvugo iyo biri ngombwa. Ntekereza ko uyu munsi Ubufaransa bufite amahirwe yo guhangana n’amateka yabwo arebana n’u Rwanda, ku ruhande rwacu mu Rwanda ntacyo tutakoze, hari byinshi twirengagije.

Twibwira ko hari igihe kizagera kandi twizeye ko kitari kure aho Ubufaransa buzemera ko bwagize uruhare rukomeye muri iki gihugu kandi niko ibihugu bijya imbere, ni kimwe natwe, twashoboraga kwifunga ntituganire, ariko si nzi ko igihugu ubu kiba kiriho, ariko si inshingano zanjye kugira inama Ubufaransa, ndi Minisitiri w’u Rwanda.

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Minisitiri Mushikiwabo yaganiririye n’aba banyamakuru batatu muri Kigali Convention Center.

Umunyamakuru : Uyu munsi hariho Perezida w’Ubufaransa muto utari ufite inshingano kiriya gihe, ndetse utaranatojwe n’abashobora kuba baragize uruhare, ni isugi muri ibyo byose, mutekereza ko noneho umubano w’ibihugu byombi ushoboka ? ese ni ikihe kimenyetso by’umwihariko mushaka, Perezida Kagame na Macron baherutse no gusuhuzanya mu nama rusange ya UN ?

Mushikiwabo : Nk’uko mubizi imibano y’ibihugu irenze umuntu umwe, birenze umuyobozi w’igihugu.

Yego Perezida Kagame yahuye na Macron, bagiranye ikiganiro kiza i New York mu gihe k’inama rusange y’Umuryango w’Abibumbye, wari umwanya mwiza kuko byagaragaje ko n’Ubufaransa bushaka kunoza umubano n’u Rwanda.

Ubu inzira yo kugenda ni inzira ndende, kandi murazi kundusha ko Perezida ashobora kugira ubushake bukomeye ariko akagongwa n’umutwaro w’amateka ahari ku ruhare rw’Ubufaransa, ni ibintu bireba Ubufaransa ntabwo ari u Rwanda, ariko Perezida Kagame yanejejwe no guhura na we, kandi bagize ikiganiro kiza n’ubwo ntari kumwe na bo aho baganiririye.

Umunyamakuru : Tugarutse ku mubano n’ibihugu muturanye, Leta Zunze Ubumwe za America zifuza ko Abanye-Congo (DRC) bajya imbere, amatora akaba bagakomeza imbere hatabayeho imvururu, namwe niko mubibona ?

Mushikiwabo : Umubano wa RDC n’u Rwanda muri ibi bihe umeze neza, hari imishinga myinshi y’ubukungu twagiye dufatanya mu myaka ishize. Politike y’imbere muri Congo ntitureba nk’u Rwanda, icyo twifuriza Abanye-Congo ni uko basohoka muri ibi bihe barimo bakaba mu mahoro



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